tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3485567477740760584.post2337566860666826125..comments2015-09-14T10:41:15.747-07:00Comments on Too Hot For Jacobin: Let's not play hard hat versus hippieSeth Ackermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00125836393401623092noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3485567477740760584.post-27328626558224588492013-11-20T17:32:45.665-08:002013-11-20T17:32:45.665-08:00you might be interested in my follow-up post. for ...you might be interested in my follow-up post. for data on state/local tax distribution, see this: http://www.itepnet.org/whopays3.pdfSeth Ackermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00125836393401623092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3485567477740760584.post-60958810527294254652013-11-20T15:55:24.448-08:002013-11-20T15:55:24.448-08:00Hm, didn't realize Matt Bruenig was making the...Hm, didn't realize Matt Bruenig was making the same point on twitter. Didn't mean to come at you from all sides.Erik Hetznerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02479770445861858681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3485567477740760584.post-79477772854292325092013-11-20T14:56:11.680-08:002013-11-20T14:56:11.680-08:00Yeah, I'd be curious to know that. California ...Yeah, I'd be curious to know that. California has somewhat progressive income tax, and a 6.5% state sales tax. I've not seen a breakdown of the numbers, so I don't know if the state taxes without local taxes are progressive or regressive. I suspect they are mildly regressive.<br /><br />Nobody on the left is calling for a property/sales tax funded free university education, true, but the system we have now is state university systems. And state+local taxes are regressive. Again, I'm not sure exactly what happens when you factor out local taxes. So if you are calling for free education, you are calling for free education with what is either a flat tax or a mildly regressive tax system.Erik Hetznerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02479770445861858681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3485567477740760584.post-2771300808425304482013-11-20T14:40:14.131-08:002013-11-20T14:40:14.131-08:00State sales and property taxes are regressive. But...State sales and property taxes are regressive. But state income taxes are progressive, and the poor pay almost zero. Federal income taxes are quite progressive. Federal payroll taxes are regressive. Every specific tax is different, which is why I showed the numbers for *all* taxes taken together. I have never heard of anyone on the left call for funding free college with property or sales taxes. As I wrote, "unless free college were paired with new taxes that were far, far more regressive than the current tax structure, it would represent a clear redistribution from rich to poor."<br /><br />That said, I didn't even notice that CTJ broke out state/local vs. federal taxes on that chart until Matt pointed it out to me a minute ago. So I'll update this post telling people to note your comment and this reply.Seth Ackermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00125836393401623092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3485567477740760584.post-44834517375170658322013-11-20T14:28:30.025-08:002013-11-20T14:28:30.025-08:00Except that public universities are paid for by st...Except that public universities are paid for by state taxes, which are generally are regressive, as your chart showsErik Hetznerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02479770445861858681noreply@blogger.com